Fact: There are approximately 1600 masajid in Britain and more than half of these do not allow women access to pray.
The Dispatches program on Britain’s Channel Four aired the controversial documentary film Women Only Jihad in late October 2006 primarily focusing attention on the all too common occurrence of masajid in the UK that stubbornly refuse to make any prayer space accommodation for women. Watch full program here.
The program features several members of the Muslim Public Affairs Committee in the UK (MPACUK) and focuses on a small number of masajid that use lame excuses and convenient hadeeth to forcibly prevent women from praying in the masjid. Interestingly, also featured is the infamous Finsbury Park mosque where the now imprisoned Abu Hamza al-Masri used to lecture which despite its reputation for radicalism has been able to make accommodations for both men and women to pray and attend classes.
Superseding the command of the Prophet sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam when he said: “Do not prevent your women from going to the mosque, even though their houses are better for them” are the men of today (particulary Hanafis originating from the subcontinent) who exercise control of the masajid and forcibly prevent women from coming and stifle any debate about the issue because “that’s how it was back home”.
In the film, when the women from MPACUK attempt to pray the Friday prayer at one masjid in particular they are verbally and physically threatened and abused by some of the men apparently so eager to fulfill their obligation of praying jumu’ah yet so lax in their observance of the manners and character taught to us by the Prophet sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam and in fulfilling the rights of the sisters to attend the masjid unmolested.
In the program and in the debate which arose after it aired has been a few common mostly negative refrains uttered by those who oppose MPACUK’s methods or prayer of women in masajid in general:
Women should be allowed to pray in the masjid but there’s no space for them. Then make space. This is among the more disingenuous responses because there is always the ability to make space if one is truly concerned. One reason I do not go the Islamic Center in DC is because despite all of the space in that masjid and its surrounding courtyards the women at the time of jum’ah are given a small cramped spot about the size of a broom closet in the basement with cheap green straw mats on which to pray.
If I see sisters being relegated to other buildings or kicked out of the main prayer hall, I either voice my complaints or leave that masjid. If you can’t respect the sisters as is required by our religion that doesn’t bode well for adherence to the sunnah in other aspects of the religion so I am not going to keep attending as if there is nothing wrong because there are plenty of masajid that do respect women.
This is how it has always been done back home. Your cultural habits should not supersede Islamic tenets. If you were so happy back home, might I kindly suggest that you go back there because here women are not going to sit idly by while you try to oppress us and just for the record you should not be oppressing women anywhere not back home and not in your adopted unhome-like home.
There are plenty of other masajid that allow women, so what’s the big deal about a few that don’t? The issue is the right of women to pray in the masajid, these are public spaces, and should be open to both men and women equally. A sister should not have to go to a masjid further away if she desires to pray in a particular masjid. Excluding women from the masjid is not only un-Islamic but it is also detrimental to everyone who attends that masjid and detrimental to those who are prevented.
It is better for a woman to pray at home, anyway. Yes, however there are many benefits to praying in the masjid which cannot be obtained from praying at home such as learning Islamic knowledge, fostering bonds of sisterhood and community, and reinforcing good Islamic values.
But there are hadeeth and opinions which say women should pray at home. Yes, yet these hadeeth do not allow you to exclude sisters from praying in the masjid.
The women may not be in proper hijab and cause fitna.
Lower your gaze brother, lower your gaze. If you weren’t so busy eyeballing the sisters and nitpicking their clothing choices you might have a better understanding of the obligation to not prevent women from coming to the masjid. If you just can’t help yourself, then maybe you should stay home or better yet maybe the brothers should assault you, slam the door of the masjid in your face when you try to enter or serve you a banning notice.
This argument about what is considered proper attire sounds strangely familiar to those who want Muslim women to take off their hijab i.e. conform to our notion of proper dress or get out and most certainly don’t expect us to take you or your words seriously.
And why is it that so often it is the same men who clearly seem to shave daily and dress in western clothing (always citing that we should dress in the manner of the people of that land) demanding the loudest that women dress as though they are women in Arabia.
Our community is already under attack, so we shouldn’t highlight any problems because it makes us look disunited. There are so many problems with this line of reasoning that I will not go into it suffice it to say that putting our heads in the sand has never solved any issue.
MPACUK is a terrible organization with poor adab (manners). So what? The issue remember is women being prevented from going to the masjid. In the film, it seems that those who demonstrated the worst adab were the men cursing, pushing, insulting, not lowering their gaze, preventing the women from entering the masjid, and relegating them to some distant dirty basement as if that was some kind of equitable solution.
Why don’t the men go pray in the basement and leave the nicer sections for the women? At one local masjid, the imam did just that and kicked the men out of the nice musallah and left it to the women. Now, the brothers pray in the more dingy multi-purpose room.
MPACUK has undermined all the hardwork and important gains we have made thus far. Nonsense. What important work has been undermined? In Britain in 2006, women are excluded from prayer at more than 50% of the masajid. If there are undercurrents of progress occurring then the actions of MPACUK and the program should help these efforts gain increased prominence.
Women should not be prevented from going to the masjid at all. Most of the excuses used are lame and the authentic hadeeth which are cited about praying at home do not mean women should be excluded. I don’t know how a man can feel comfortable praying in a masjid that excludes women or that relegates them to a dingy and cramped space.
If you have never experienced having to pray in one of these dingy areas or being excluded from the masjid you should consider it a blessing but don’t think that gives you any moral authority to lecture women who have experienced these things on how they should react and go about seeking redress for their grievances. I’m not saying if you have not experienced this you cannot comment from your knowledge but just come down off that high horse a bit.
This discussion reminds me of a post I’ve been neglecting about growing the beard. It never ceases to amaze me how so many men feel so happy in their expert knowledge of women and hijab to comment on it even though they often have no real understanding of the experience of women that observe hijab. Yet, I see very few women commenting on the beard, turbans, and pant lengths for men with the same vigor and intensity. Perhaps a slice of humble (apple) pie would be good for all of us.
Voices of Reason: aNaRcHo AkBaR, Rolled-up Trousers, and Indigo Jo.
The Prophet, salallahu alaihi wasalaam, said: “A woman’s prayer in her house is better than her prayer in her courtyard, and her prayer in her bedroom is better than her prayer in her house.” (Reported by Abu Dawud in al-Sunan, Baab maa jaa’a fee khurooj al-nisaa’ ilaa’l-masjid. See also Saheeh al-Jaami‘, no. 3833).
The Prophet, salallahu alaihi wasalaam,“The best prayer for women is (that offered) in the furthest part of their houses.” (Reported by al-Tabaraani. Saheeh al-Jaami’, 3311)
Umm Humayd, the wife of Abu Humayd al-Saa’idi reported that she came to the Prophet and said: “O Messenger of Allah, I love to pray with you.” He said: “I know that you love to pray with me, but praying in your house is better for you than praying in your courtyard, and praying in your courtyard is better for you than praying in the mosque of your people, and praying in the mosque of your people is better for you than praying in my mosque.” So she ordered that a prayer-place be built for her in the furthest and darkest part of her house, and she always prayed there until she met Allah (until she died).
(Reported by Imaam Ahmad; the men of its isnaad are thiqaat)
Yahya related to me from Malik from Yahya ibn Said from
Amra bint Abd ar-Rahman that A’isha, the wife of the Prophet,salallahu alaihi waslaam, said, “If the Messenger of Allah,salallahu alaihi wasalaam, had seen what women do now, he would have forbidden them to go into the mosques, just as the women of the Bani Israil were forbidden”
Asalamu alaykum Muslim Wife,
No one disputes any of that but why not add the ahadeeth and narrations about not preventing the women? Fiqh is not made from isolated hadeeth we must combine all of the authentic evidences. And from the authentic evidences the vast majority of the ulama say it is haraam to prevent the women from attending the masajid. W’Allahu ta ala alam
Muslim Wife, if women behave so badly that they should be prevented from leaving their homes, how can they learn to do any better from the confines of their own walls?
Just had this discussion on a friends blog- going to be a while before we change peoples incorrect perceptions…
As Salaamu Alaikum,
It is clear that there are authentic ahadeeth supporting the prayer in the home is best for the women and equally there is a narration in which men a commanded to NOT their women from the masjid . . . So there is needs to be some clarification on these points.
However, we sat and watch the video and I was really bothered by the way in which these women approached this issue. First, their practice of hijab was a perfect example of the fitnah of the women. Second, why were they allowing themselves to get into a face-to-face confrontations with their Muslim brothers? Also, where were their husbands, fathers and brother? Why didn’t they take their cause to the ulemah for advise and possible mediation? I thought the example of the women who had set up their own musellah was excellent – I have taken many online classes or tele-link classes with the wives, daughters and students of the shayuk without leaving my home. We even host classes in our homes and this isn’t done, because we aren’t allowed in the masjid, but we share the sentiment of those women who had their private musellah, we simply feel more free amongst ourselves. In these environments, we can freely ask questions on the fiqh of personal issues and take our hijabs off and relax. So the masjid isn’t the only place to learn your deen. Also, in my travels around the world, I found that many masajids were not visited by women – but women still found ways to be in the know.
If the recommendation to the female companion Umm Humayd (radi Allahu anha) who expressed her sorrow at being to too incapacited to pray with the Prophet (sall Allahu alayhi wasalam) in his masjid, was prescriptive to *all* women then why did the wives and female Companions of the Prophet (radi Allahu anhunna) continue to attend the masjid after his passing? Surely if this was a universal command, then the women should have immediately fled from praying in the masajid to obey the Messenger of Allah (sall Allahu alayhi wasalam), however they did not, which indicates the particular context of this hadith.
Our Mother ‘A’isha (radi Allahu anha) expressed an opinion about the state of affairs in her time, but we do not know how bad it was, nor did she actually forbid the women then, and she herself continued to attend. Given that adultery existed during the time of the Prophet, audhubillah, then there is nothing that occurs in todays masajid that is as bad as that.
Not *having* to pray in the mosques is a mercy to women, particularly if they are elderly or have small children, but today there are many reasons why it is important for women to be able to attend the masajid. For example, we have many converts and new Muslims who know nothing about their deen – not even how to pray. How are they to learn if they cannot access other Muslims to teach them? Especially if they do not have Muslims as family, or practicing Muslims as family. In traditional Muslim societies there were many other places that women could attend to gain spiritual education and support, including the shrines of the friends of Allah (radi Allahu anhum) but today, particularly in the West, the masjid is the *only* place to go to gain spiritual education and support. This is why it is vital that women have full access to the masajid.
If a woman is 2 pray in a Mosque, and knows there are men around, her Namaz is not Qabul
and so is not the men’s Namaz
cos at a nearby Mosque to me, when you pass along the outside, you can hear the Imam telling the women to get ready for prayer, and that same announcement can also be heard in the men’s room below, because when the Imam reads the Surahs and the Duaa, all the Mosque can hear it
i think its just wrong if women cannot read Namaz in Mosque, then why are the Imam letting them?
I agree totally,Umm Yasmin. If women were not allowed in the masajid, who would advise a non-Muslim woman who is interested in Islam? Would the Muslim men prefer to speak to a non-Muslim, non-hijabi woman, rather than have Muslim women there to advise her?
SubhanAllah that commercial or promo really saddened me. I mean, how will this look to non-muslims watching the program?! SubhanAllah, the hadith does state to not prevent women from going to the mosque, but to take to a confrontational level where sisters and brothers lose their haya allow the way is sad.
wa Allahu ta’ala ‘alam. These minute aspects of the deen that are causing large scale disputes, in my humble opinion, deters us from uniting and becoming a stronger ummah. They are fighting for the chance to pray in the masjid, but will the masjid be filled with sisters after that? Something that I learned from Rizq Management is that we focus so much on these small details that it takes away from the fara’id.
But it lifts the spirit to now that the end is for the Believers and the muslimeen will be the victors, inna wa3adaAllahi haqq.
wa Allahu ta’ala ‘alam.
This is sad but it just goes to show how much work we have to do to educate Muslims. Lots of misconceptions swirling around out there especially when it comes to Muslim women.
This issue has to be approached from a proper context, perspective and in light of all the facts and opinions available.
Before I discuss this issue; may I ask how many of the people who have commented so far including “Muslim Apple” are from Britian or understand the dynamics, issues, concerns and condition of Muslims in Britain??? I can safely assume not many of you have much of an idea.
It is sad that this documentary should be promoted in the first place due to many many many reasons.
From sociologists point of view if you ever bothered studying the demographics of British Muslim communities you would realize a couple of things.
A) Most masaajid (including most of the masjids these MPAC [members] went to) are located in middle of areas that heavily populated or Muslim majority neighborhoods. Traditionally masaajid have only been accommodating to men because women don’t see a need to pray at masaajid as they can simply do it in their homes.
B) If you were British you would realize that rarely know much about areas outside their own burroughs and neighborhoods. So, when you have some one you don’t even know coming crashing into your masjid, being rude to the elders, shouting out loud in front of kuffar and cameras, demanding to be given space to pray forcefully; how do you expect the people at masjid to react?? Subhan Allah. Whatever happened to Hikmah…Don’t you think if these people went up to masjid elders nicely and said uncle/brother we are new in this area and we need to pray would you mind giving us some space to pray?? I highly doubt they would have had said “NO”.
C) Have you had the chance to be in Muslim community in Britian. Let me assure you most Muslims are absolutely appalled by what MPAC has done…go look up on Islamic forums and ask British Muslims yourself.
I can go on and on about this…
Now from an Islamic perspective:
A) In Islam there’s a concept of “mafsadah versus maslahah”. You have to weigh the good and bad of a situation. These actions of MPAC have created far more evil and mafsadah and evil than good. First of all they never approach their own communities in a PROPER manner. What do you expect the community leaders to do when you have the head of MPAC (who doesn’t even have a beard) is shouting and cursing at those much older than him, including a lady?
B) Most British Muslim women have never had an issue with this…they why are they creating such a ruckus? Is it a publicity stunt? This documentary came right when Jack Straw made comments against the niqaab and a niqqabi was fired from her job. Perfect timing…Make Muslims look even dumber. Masha Allah tabarak Allah.
C)People have already provided enough adillah that it is preferable for women to pray at home. And if we look at the masajid in Britian in proper context we would realize that most of these masajid were bulit during the days when first generation of Muslim immigrants came to Britain and were largely men only and they established these masajid as musallahs…today the dynamics have changed but this issue needs to be approached properly. MPAC’s bid to make Muslims look stupid in front of kuffar won’t really help you know….it’s absolutely disgusting.
D) These sisters bobbing their awrah in front of 100s of non-mahram men are already breaking enough shari’i ahkaam that they shouldn’t EVEN be talking about providing space for women in masaajd. La hawla wa la quwatta illa billah…what kind of a father/husband/brother would let their women do that???? Walk around the streets creating absolute fitnah and being rude to their elders????
E) Hikmah hikmah hikmah
Muslim Apple: Edited for violating language policy. Please refer to the House Rules before you post in the future in sha Allah.
Some excellent points in the comments since I last posted.
I’ve studied and been to the UK and I have a lot of family there. The three links I included at the end of the post are from British Muslims. The last time I was in the UK, I wasn’t a Muslim so I wasn’t concerned about praying in the masjid. Now, that I am a Muslim I wonder how it will be if I return there and want to perform my prayers at the closest masjid. I do not have any Muslim mahram to accompany me to the masjid so will I be treated like these sisters? Will I be able to tell in advance which masajid allow women to pray and which do not? And had I become interested in Islam earlier, how would I found more information ? Would I have been able to locate the separate prayer areas hidden away in the basement across the street or second floor rooms in individual houses?
It is a lie and a lie of the worst kind that the majority of women are happy with the current situation and prefer to be excluded from the masjid. This is akin to saying that nonwhite South Africans were happy with apartheid just because that was the status quo.
Assalamu Aleikum wa Rahamtulahi wa Barakatuhu,
Allah (SWT) says in the Noble Qur’an: “O Prophet! Why do you forbid (make Haraam) that which Allah has made lawful (Halaal) to you…..” (66: 1).
“O you have believed! Do not make unlawful (Haraam) the wholesome things which Allah has made lawful (Halaal) for you…” (5:87)
The Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said, “Do not stop the female servant of Allah from (going to) the Mosques of Allah.” Ibn Omar said, “I heard the Messenger of Allah say, “Do not prevent your women from (going to) the Mosques if they seek your permission to do so.” His son Bilal said, “Surely we will stop them.” He turned to his son, abusing him in a way I have never heard him doing so and said, “I tell you the saying of the Prophet (PBUH) and you say you will stop them.”
Imam Muslim reported from Ibn Omar that the Messenger of Allah said, “Do not prevent women from going to) the mosques at night.” Abu Hurayrah said that the Messenger of Allah said, “Do not stop the male servants of Allah from (going to) the mosques of Allah but let them go in modest dress.” Zaynab, the wife of Abdullah ibn Mas’ud said, “The Messenger of Allah said to us, ‘If any one of you attends the Mosque, let her not touch perfume’.” Jabir ibn Abdullah said that the Messenger of Allah said, “The best lines for men are the front ones and the worst are the back ones. The worst lines for females are the front ones and the best are the back ones. O ye Muslim women, if the male prostrate themselves, lower your gaze so as not to see their private parts.” Omar ibn al-Khattab used to stop the males using the door reserved for females.
(basically, modest dress, and no perfume.)
“If the wife of one of you asks permission to go to the Masjid, he must not prevent her.” (Related by Al-Bukhari and Muslim).
And what happened after the prophet died is not sunnah, as following the sunnah, means following his example. But, anyways,
A commentaer mentioned where is her father, brother, son, husband? With all due respect sister, I know PLENTY of revert sisters who have NONE of these mahrams you speak of. Starting with my sister. She is not married yet (and is looking), so, no, no children. Her father, is our stepfather, who is in his 80s, lives with me in another state and through the mercy of Allah(SWT) reverted to Islam a few years back. He goes to Jumah even though he doesn’t understand a LICK of English (Spanish only, of course, no Arabic, or Urdu either). Of course, my sister has more Islamic knowledge than him. Also, we have no brothers, or uncles, Muslim, or non-Muslim. I am not the only family I know like this.
One of my best friends who Alhamdullilah just got married converted as a divorcee. She is 50 years old now. She has no kids, no parents, no brothers (Muslim or non-Muslim as she is a revert) and only recently remarried. After all of these years of her having to go to the masjid to learn Islam from the sisters, and having to work to make a living, I doubt that she will be in purdah. And no, her English is not as good as her Spanish and she was able to meet many Spanish speaking sisters at the masjid. She is not the only sister like this.
My friends, the “mahram” situation is a very elitist view of the reality of of our revert sisters. It is the best, I know, but so are many things. Some times people just survive, not thrive. This does not make them any less Muslim.
As for the reverts in the movie, some of them made it clear they were reverts. Also, one of the sisters who covered introduced her sister who was not Muslim and didn’t cover. Perhaps she has male members of her family but they are not Muslim.
My sister and I wear the hijab, but it is very narrow minded to think that only women who wear the hijab “properly” as you said should be allowed to learn about Islam, or attend the masjid. The hadith point out that modest dress and no perfume is what should be observed. So, if they are learing to put on the hijab and are doing their best, they will improve with time, insha’Allah. Some sisters wear a type of hijab at our masjid called teh dupatta I believe, which many times shows their hair. Some of these sisters are married to men or have them as fathers who sport long bears and are very active members of our masjid. These sisters are not reverts, and noone dares to mention the appropriateness of their “modest dress”.
Islam cannot be understood by reading the internet or buying books and staying in your home. Many reverts have to work, and continue their relationship with their non-Muslim family members, yes, you cannot cut ties with yor family just because they are not Muslim. And if you think that you will be able to be completely cut off from any people who are not Muslim, you are mistaken. How do you shop for food? Go to work? Do dawah? If you think people who attend houses of worship are doing so to make trouble you are not weighing it with all the other things they could be doing instead in a free country. Islam is a deen that needs to be lived, and as such, revert sisters need to see other sisters PRACTICING it. Have friends who will help them learn and get through things together. Allah(SWT) sent us many prophets so that we can learn from their example. We didn’t just get a Quran and there you go, follow it!
I live in the U.S. and married or not married, I am free to participate in every aspect of society, but I shelter myself from many things by going to the masjid instead of doing other things. This does not go unrecognized, though, because you know what the reality is? Everytime a brother “meets” a new non-Muslim sister, they expect the revert sisters to be there on Friday evenings-halaqa or no halaqa to teach their “new friends” about Islam. I have seen the most pious families in our city whose children go this route.
I am so sorry I do not share your view. I love Islam, and I know a sister who had to pray in the Catholic chapel at our university because they didn’t let her pray in the masjid. Great dawah, dudes!
I have heard that if you had met the Muslims before you knew Islam, you wouldn’t convert. What is so sad is that many years after my mom also reverting, she came up with this same conclusion on her own. I told her, well, Alhamdullilah mom, our deen is perfect and we will not be judged by other people’s actions. So, there is comfort in that.
Given that, I usually pray in my home. And Alhamdullilah, I pray. I know sisters and brothers who don’t pray regularly and as far as I know, they are not stopped from going to the masjid, and nobody withholds their salams from them. Also, there are brothers who don’t even go to jumah prayer, and I don’t see anyone setting fire to their homes.
I recall a hadith of the Prophet(SAWS) where he said that he would burn down the houses of those brothers who didn’t attend the prayers in congregation(I believe this is not only talking about Jumah). If you find this hadith, I would be happy to see it again. How come we are not having the discussion of why the brothers are NOT doing ALL their prayers on the masjid, which was HIGHLY ENCOURAGED by our prophet(SAWS). Instead, we always focus on the women. Which by the way, they only wanted to pray Jumah according to the video. Which was ALLOWED by the prophet(SAWS).
It looks to me that many Muslims define Islam according to their culture. We all need to go back to the basics. What would they have said about Nusaybah?
Also, the brothers should have found a resolution witht he sisters before the media got involved. It would have been better for them. The prophet(SAWS) made treaties with non-Muslims for the sake of the best of the ummah. Why can’t you make concessions for your own Muslim sisters? It doesn’t make sense.
I used to work at the Islamic school, and the Sunday school, and if it weren’t for the women in our community, there would be neither. The men are not the ones coming to the masjid volunteering their time and knowledge to teach Islam to our children. This is acceptable, because they have other responsibilities. But as women, we have ours, and Allah(SWT) knows our ablilities. If we have something to teach, we should teach it.
Given such, I believe that it is perfectly fine to pray in your home, but I would be very scared to tell a sister “No, you can’t pray Jumah in the masjid”, remember, you are not allowed to forbid that which Allah(SWT) and his prophet(SAWS) made lawful.
your sister in Islam,
Argh, I apologize for the length of the comment.
Also, to UmmBinat, this post was not directed to you, just the part about the mahrams. I did not put the words in capital letters because I was screaming, but since there was so many words, I just wanted to emphasize the parts that I would have during conversation. It is really hard to “speak” through a comment.
Although my comment seems feisty, I mean no disrespect.
Assalamu Aleikum wa Rahamtulahi wa Barakatuhu,
I read your other comment. It is awesome that you have travelled and you benefit from meeting with other sisters in your homes. In my community, we FIND each other in the masjid, then maybe, we become friends and meet elsewhere. But it is on the insistance of the brothers that we meet in the masjid instead, as we serve as the teachers for the “new sisters” that come to the masjid to learn about Islam and the brothers don’t want to push them away, and they feel awkward teaching them themselves.
Alhamdulillah, this Ramadan alone there were about 3-4 shahadas amongst the sisters. Notice sisters, not brothers. SubhanAllah!
Also, one of the local universities here, Tulane University has a class in world religions and every year, ladies and men from the class comet o our masjid to observe and then do a website for their class assignment based on what they saw and learned. They always announce themselves and the ladies wear a hijab upon entering our masjid.
What would we do if they came to our masjid and there were no sisters there and they were turned away?
I know about the space issue as we had problems with that in one of our masjid, and the solution was to create times for the sisters to pray their prayers on time, and times for the brothers. Ths sisters weren’t upset that they couldn’t pray Jumah there because, frankly, it was such a small space. But they negotiated a solution. It took several years in the making though. Now, however, there are more sisters involved in the MSA. Some of these sisters would have made non-Muslim friends on campus. Instead, now they hang out with each other! Think of the blessings!
I know I feel really strong about this, but think of the blessings if more of our brothers and sisters went to the masjid, instead of less. This could only be good. I have never met a sister who came to the masjid to flirt. AstagfirAllah.
musulmana: The ahadeeth about burning down the homes of the men who do not come to the congregational salaah can be found here under the proofs from the sunnah.
yep you are the epitome of the mentality that is so prevalent today…namely the ideas that people cling to from their jahilliyah. We want to be called Muslims yet we still hold our previously ingrained notions…it is pretty sickening. Btw it is not a lie that most Muslim women aren’t happy. Anyways I can’t bother myself with people like you. Kama tudeenu tudan.
I thought hajj was women’s jihad…..
anyway…if one masjid doesnt have women’s praying area…..then just go to another one…..insha’Allah Allah will reward you for the extra effort. As Imaam Ahmad (d. 241 AH) said in his worst situation “This prison is difficult to bear, this pain is difficult to bear, and the whip is difficult to bear, but all this, when done for the Sake of Allah, seems very easy!”
Just Do it!
if you dont have anything else to do….get married or raise some kids.
Nuqtah: It is a lie that most women are happy being excluded from the masjid not that they are not happy in general.
danish, And if there are no masajid for women to pray and our brothers attack us when we try to pray, if you will not stand up for us, will you not stand up for the sunnah of the Prophet sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam?
In any event, we are going to fight not whine against our exclusion from the masjid so that the brothers make space and stop offering lame excuses and poor solutions that they wouldn’t accept for themselves about why we should be excluded.
that’s what you are a straight up product of western mindset. Stop imposing judgements on entire section of soceity and claiming that it’s a “LIE”…well boo hoo what you say doesn’t even matter…cry all you want and I earnestly pray to Allah azza wa jall that MPAC fails in their efforts ameen…
…and oh btw in case you didn’t notice (the scene where MPAC and those “sisters” get to talk to the masjid authority…in case you didnt have your contact lenses on there was a woman representative from masjid commity present aswell…and they clearly said that sisters have their own committee) oh wait oh wait to you that translates into discrimination lol….wallahu ta`ala musta3an.
I just don’t understand why people frequent blogs that they diagree with the content. That’s why you have your own blog: to state YOUR own opinions. If you don’t agree with MuslimApple, go on to the next blog, or better yet, leave the blogosphere all together. You’re only wasting time cyber-yelling and causing fitnah….
stop the fitnah then.
Amani, thanks for mentioning that and on the other thread that I was not white. 🙂 I am reminded of quote from one of my teachers when he said that we should think of the opinions of other people as though they are small children. When I remember this I smile because you can’t get that worked up over things kids or people acting like kids say.
wa ‘alaykum as salaam wa rahamtullaah,
i am not saying that muslim women shoudnt have a place to pray…i totally agree they
should…..and every masjid should offer thema palce to pray. But the point i was trying to get across is some people are of the opinion that the women shouldnt come the masjid in the environment they live in or whatever the case might, you can request it form them, okay they may listen they may not. But if you really want to pray at the masjid, and you are sincere in this then its better you sacrifice that extra time and ride and go to anothe rmasjid wher ethey have a palce for women to pray, instead of causing fitnah.
since you already mentioned the sunnah, the sunnah is for the woman to pray at hiome, which is her best prayer..i think one of posts mentions this..and Allah Rewards Justly.
if you really want to stand up for the sunnah, then learn it and then defend it, without knowledge your words are hollow.
My city doesnt have this problem – Houston, TX – all masaajid have a woman’s prayer place as far as I know., so it doesnt really concern me.
But the way peopel are goign about this might be wrong is my point.
Allah Knows best
ALL PRAISE BE TO ALLAH THE SOUL CHERISHER THE SUSTAINER
MAY THE PEACE AND BLESSINGS BE UPON OUR BELOVED PROPHET MUHAMMED S.A.W HIS FAMILY AND COMPANIONS.
OUR BELOVED PROPHET S.A.W. HAS SAID THAT THE BEST PLACE FOR THE WOMEN TO PRAY IS AT HOME.
I AGREE THAT IF THE SISTER [ MUSLIMAH ] WANTS TO GO TO THE MOSQUE THEN LET HER.
THE PROBLEM IS THAT SOME MOSQUES DO NOT HAVE FACILITIES FOR SISTERS TO OFFER THEIR PRAYER.
CERTAIN MOSQUES IN LONDON DO HAVE A SEPERATE ROOM FOR SISTERS TO OFFER THEIR PRAYER.
WHY HAS THIS SUCH A BIG ISSUE.
OUR BELOVED PROPHET SAID THAT THE BEST PLACE FOR THE WOMEN TO PRAY IS AT HOME.
I AGREE WITH PROPHET MUHAMMED S.A.W.
GLORY IS TO ALLAH AND HIS MESSENGERS
as salaam alaykum,
the best posts here are by Nuqtah. I can’t believe some of the arguments around here.
Look at the fitnah those girls created. It was a disgrace. If the musjid doesnt cater for you pray at home… exhibiting yourself in such a manner is disgraceful and a bigger issue than not having space at the musjid. And who goes to the Musjid dressed like its your friends wedding or ‘Eid… caked in make up wearing all your blimmin bright shocking colors. cause the brothers to fight amongst themselves…. for what? you only made a fool of yourself in the end.
subhanAllah. how ridiculous.
There seems to be a fundamental difference of opinion between those who have declined to lower their gaze and think all women are out there to tempt them into zina so rather than exercising self-control they wish to eliminate Muslim women from the public sphere so they do not have to exert themselves too hard.
And others that see self-control and accountability as important and if you cannot control yourself then you need to get some help or just stay at home and leave everyone else alone.
The exclusion from the masajid is just an outer symbol of the larger mistreatment and oppression of women by those who have put cultural preferences above Islam.
As-salaamu ‘Alaikum Wa Rahmatullah,
I pray you are all well and upon peeks of piety, ameen.
http://www.1eid.net we are trying to establish the sunnah of women praying at Eid in the UK. Believe it or not those of you who are not in the UK, Muslim women in the UK don’t really get to pray Eid. The hadith about not stopping them from the masjid is one thing but then there is a hadith ordering the women to attend the Eid prayer. It even states that the menstruating women should also attend and listen to the khutbah. Yet still majority parts of the UK it is just the men praying Eid while the women sit at home and cook for them.
Although we are striving to revive the correct sunnah regarding the women’s Eid prayer I wanted to say something about MPAC and the way the sisters behaved in the video. DISGUSTING. Hijab and Hajj are your only Jihad according to the hadith. Where was the hijab / haya in this video?
The video was a disgrace and the sisters and their organisation should apologize to the masajid members they offended and the rest of the practicing Muslims who were embarassed that others may have seen that disgusting behaviour.
Aside from their jahiliya and this very jahil video which the enemies of Islam will love to promote everywhere they can, we should still strive and correct the situation of our masajid and our Eid prayers.
Our masajid should make some form of facilities for those sisters who do need to attend.
Our Eid prayer should be prayed correctly outside or away from the masjid in a masala .
(please visit this thread for full article on how it should be prayed) http://www.alfitrah.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=78&t=3389&sid=510260efa3a438915a3cbd57994128cc
Our women should be looked after and empowered by our EId prayer and Khutbah so that they can feel they are part of this ummah including the menstruating ones. It is their test not disability alhamdulillah.
Our children should also be given an Eid celebration on the days of Eid and not 2 weeks later lying to them saying ‘Eid Mubarak’ – if we do not respect our deen and its festival then we cannot expect our children to grow up with respect for it.
Lastly, let the public see who we are by showing them our prayers, our khutbahs and our celebration of Eid insha’Allah.
I ask everyone to please make sincere suplications Allah give us success in our efforts, ameen.
Wa Salaamu ‘Alaikum
Jalal ibn Sa’eed
As Salaamu Alaikum
I just have one concern….why would anyone want to discourage a woman/ women from meeting their creator in Namaaz? Surely there are certainly other more important things to worry about here. I mean, some people I know off, despite how many lectures you give them, won’t stop their daughters from engaging in the nightlife, clubbing etc yet when another woman wants her right to obey her creator and make salaat, its a problem??
Namaaz is the best way of seeking a closeness to Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta Ala and when you read namaz in a Masjid, its a totally other peaceful feeling as opposed to praying in your house…
Many women deliberately dress incorrectly to attract men. This is a great sin and leads to a whole lot of fitnah. I cant understand why some women insist on coming to the musjid- why cant they just read at home? Or do they want to make a show of themselves?
Abdullah, why do you go to the masjid? Have you ever considered women may want to go for the same reasons – to remember their Lord, to benefit from praying in congregation, for the fellowship and building bonds with others, to benefit from the reminder?